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Jim talks with Liv Boeree—science communicator, former professional poker player, and host of the Win-Win Podcast—about consciousness, egregores, multipolar traps, and the ethics of factory farming.
They discuss the nature of personal identity across sleep, the teleportation machine thought experiment, consciousness as a self-aware story-threading entity, the “attention as cursor of consciousness” framing, Jim’s memory-competition theory of attention, Gerald Edelman and Daniel Dennett as proponents of competitive models, the Telepathy Tapes podcast and nonverbal autistic children, Donald Hoffman’s view that consciousness is foundational, panpsychism and the “radio tuner” model, Liv’s poker premonition story and a £1,700,000 tournament win, two flavors of consciousness and psychedelics as a way of dialing into different frequencies, poker as spanning pure luck to pure skill, the data revolution in poker and the rise of game-theory robots, poker as an egregore and the idea that “the game is playing me,” probability at micro vs. macro scales, egregores defined as beings in meme space, Moloch as the personification of multipolar traps, Instagram face filters as a micro Moloch example, the Moloch mechanism of individually rational but collectively destructive action, Scott Alexander’s “Meditations on Moloch,” the breakfast cereal Moloch as a case study, the three interlocked layers of the AI multipolar trap, Marc Andreessen’s techno-accelerationism and its blind spots, introducing “Norma” as the second negative attractor state representing centralization and authoritarianism, Moloch and Norma feeding into each other, psychopaths as first movers in Molochian races, the obligate psychopath concept, Elinor Ostrom’s work on managing the commons, zero-knowledge proofs as a win-win third path, Descartes’ philosophical origin of Western indifference to animal suffering, expanding the moral circle, the conditions of factory-farmed pigs and the economics of gestation crates, the health and environmental consequences of factory farming, cultivated meat as the win-win solution, and much more.
- Episode Transcript
- The Win-Win Podcast, with Liv Boeree
- “Meditations on Moloch,” by Scott Alexander
- Currents 090 with BJ Campbell and Patrick Ryan
- “AI 2027,” by Daniel Kokotajlo et al.
- Governing the Commons, by Elinor Ostrom
Liv Boeree is one of the UK’s most successful professional poker players, winning multiple titles during her professional career, including a European Poker Tour Championship and World Series of Poker bracelet. Originally trained in astrophysics, she has hosted various popular science TV shows, and now works as an artist and researcher specializing in the intersection of game theory, technology and risk. She is a co-founder of Raising for Effective Giving (REG), an advisory organization that fundraises for the most globally impactful causes, and an ambassador to Longview Philanthropy. Her most recent project is the Win-Win Podcast, which explores how people and society can develop a healthier relationship with the forces of competition.