EP36 Hanzi Freinacht on Metamodernism

Hanzi Freinacht talks with Jim about postmodernism, value memes, cognitive complexity, societal code, the promises/dangers of metamodernism, and much more…


Hanzi Freinacht, political philosopher, historian, sociologist, & author has a wide-ranging talk with Jim that starts by exploring what postmodern views are, how many postmodernists there might be & how they act. They, then go on to cover effective values memes & how they arise/interact, the dynamics of the model of hierarchical complexity, societal code, the progression from modern to post-modern & metamodern perspectives, how code & cognitive complexity interact, whether post-modernism is valuable, similarities of metamodernism & GameB, the promises & dangers of running metamodern code, why spirituality is important & its value/dynamics, Jim’s experience & ideas about mystical states, the yoga bourgeoisie, and much more.

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Hanzi Freinacht is a political philosopher, historian & sociologist, author of The Listening SocietyNordic Ideology, and the upcoming book The 6 Hidden Patterns of World History. As a writer, Hanzi combines in-depth knowledge of several sciences and disciplines and offers maps of our time and the human condition with his characteristically accessible, poetic and humorous writing style – challenging the reader’s perspective of herself and the world. He epitomizes much of the metamodern philosophy and can be considered a personification of this strand of thought.

6 thoughts on “EP36 Hanzi Freinacht on Metamodernism

  1. [Dan Dennett’s “proof” for existence of free will] + [a derivative of Carl Jung’s personality types] = [Hanzi Freinacht’s “proof” that spiritual woo-woo is real]. Jim, your restraint during the last part of the interview was a huge lesson in patience for me, as I channeled Lawrence Krauss’ grumpy disdain for bad philosophy (of course Krauss was in a huge fight with a philosopher, but its still funny).

    Jim, thank you for your podcast! I am so glad that I tapped on your ad at the bottom of my Overcast player. It is easily the best show in podcast land, sharing the top spot with those of Sean Carroll and Sam Harris.

  2. You would love to speak to David Chapman, he is the “stronger” than Hanzi on a metamodern type of thinking that goes beyond postmodernism. And he is more structured and less controversial. This thinking is in here https://meaningness.com/

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